An Interesting Read
posted by Forrest at 10:21 PM
Monday, November 15, 2004
Some of the 'blogs I read
- My Beautiful Wife
- Holly's Guy
- My Lovely Mother
- Isaiah
- Tim
- Heidi
- Mrs. Dove
- Kyrie (oh, and Rick & Rachel)
- Youssef & Lynne
- Matthew
- The Pedersons
What I'm Reading
- Introduction to Christianity by Pope Benidict XVI
- The New Testment and The People of God by N.T. Wright
- Merlin by Stephen Lawhead
- At Home in Mitford by Jan Karon
- The Real Mary by Scot McKnight
- Children of the Promise by Robert Booth
- Margin by Dr. Richard A. Swenson
- Touchstone
- The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama
What I'm Listening To
Links
Previous Posts
- "With my eyes closed"
- Real christian writing
- In the year that King Uzziah died...
- Saints' Days
- Niiice...
- End of season blahs
- There must be more to life than eating really real...
- Yay!
- Day of sadness
- Public Confession
About Me
- Name: Forrest
- Location: Somewheresville, Washington, United States
I'm a lumpy sort of person, of mostly normal proportions with a gorgeous wife and two of the coolest boys and the most beautiful blond girl in the world
22 Comments:
Interesting from a secular point of view. What are your thoughts on the separation of church and state (Biblically speaking)?
Well...in a nutshell, God places rules over us for our protection(and sometimes judgement) but if the ruler is commanding us to defy our Lord we are to resist. As for "separation", if there is a true Christian country this is not possible: the church would influence the rulers (her sons) and the rulers would protect the church.
yes, but they should be separate in that the state is not to do the Church's job, and the Church is not to do the state's job.
Agreed, but is there a sharp distintion there?
Were not the Levites both?
Here's a quote from Bahnsen: "The Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who had no direct hand in the priesthood, the priesthood belonging to one special family of Levi. . . .The nonpriestly Levites were involved in the things of the religious cult or the things of God's law."
I'm not sure how sharp the distinction is/was.
I should state that I am not yet persuaded either direction....
~Holly
Me either, (Moses was Aaron's brother) I do know that the Church is to influence the culture around with her counter culture and the primary responsibility of government is protection from without and not from "ourselves". So I guess, postmillinially speaking, in the "end" the Head of the church will be in visible command and not a secular government.
the Church is to influence the culture around with her counter culture and the primary responsibility of government is protection from without and not from "ourselves".most definitely! I guess my ideas of 'separation of Church and state' are different then most folks think. It's not that God's Law and state are separate, because they aren't [supposed to be]. It's separate in the same kind of way that computer specialist and policeman are separate....does this make sense?
um...signed ~Holly
Here's something to mull over: Deuteronomy 17:8-9; If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose; and thou shalt come unto the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and inquire and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment: ... v.12 And the man that will do presumptiously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel. And all the people shall hear and fear and do no more presumptuously.
Perhaps we should begin to dismantle our Greek way of looking at the Word of God and the world. What defined the laws of the land if not their 'religion' and why were they held to obey those laws except for that their God dictated? Did not their love, obedience and fear of God dictate that they would obey the laws that He had made for them? Who originally gave the laws to the people if not a Levite? Why were the Levites chosen to serve? Do you remember after the golden calf was destroyed, Moses cried out, "Who is on the LORD's side?" and the Levites came forth and girded on every man his sword and executed judgment among God's rebellous people.
Anyway, just something to think about and ponder over. Obviously I do not know all the answers, and cannot begin to pretend to, but I think we should seriously wonder if we are not trying to look at biblical Hebraic standards through the eyes of modern culture molded by the Greek philosophers. That's my two or three cents for the family discussion!
--Heidi
Hey! Novel thought! Scripture! Thanks for properly ending an interesting discussion:)
ok, I know when I'm being told to shut up...
Sorry, that wasn't a call for silence, I just thought the old blot on the landscape had a rather topping point. What Ho and so forth.
It's me again, Holly the anonymous poster from Dad's computer land. It is SNOWING!!!Anyway, we were putting up the tree last night (actually, Heidi and I were at Wal*Mart getting a three foot tree and the trimmings for our room :oD) and I happened to remember Jerry Cowley's christmas tree....nobody else does, do you?
I don't remember Jerry Cowley's Christmas tree...but just wanted to say (now that I've FINALLY gotten a chance to get online) that Holly, I agree. I was thinking about commenting after Heidi's comment...but then I read Forrest's response and was thinking, oh well. lol.
hehe...he thought he'd get the last word, but we fooled him! ;oD
~Holly
Wow! I've gotten almost as many responses to my "final word" as to the original post! Bwahahaha
You are pretty funny, aren't you?!
you haven't answered my question.....
No I do not remember his tree as I was generally overawed by whatever game was being played #:-)
you stinker! I was counting on you! let me refresh that page in your memory: think three strands of lights (you know, from the bottom to the top to cover the whole tree), all blinking.....at different times and no lights on in the living room? pleeeeeease! :oD
It's vague... but I think I remember now.
P.S. We got more snow!
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